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Don Rowlett

Last common ancestor between pineapple and human?

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Hi Don.

The concept of ancestry is one of relationship and phylogeny, which (by/like the question implies), assumes evolution and so an answer can potentially be sought, though  the further back in time we go, especially at some junctures, it can be tricky, for various reasons, but this question is precisely a key one which you will be able to find with this programme. When I say tricky, I in no way mean that the whole concept could be wrong or major, distinct alternatives are open to consideration. By way of example or comparison, it is like a child walking home from school and being seen by multiple CCTV cameras, which can track people’s whereabouts in terms of time and location. There may be some specific points along the way where there were no cameras or some obscuring took place, but the route and times are not in dispute, merely what may have occurred, if anything different, at these specific points. The gaps are natural, explainable and expected ones.  

Are you an enquiring creationist? If so, or my advice for those who are,  is to analyse how anyone can see and trace this lineage (with no pre-conceptions) and examine how life is or is not interrelated., and consider that, if anyone thinks not, how such results are shown as they are, and what other explanation can possibly result from them and the statistical improbability of such occurring.

To give an indication of an answer to your question, we share a Eukaryotic ancestor which in turn stemmed from an Archean one, but it would not be possible to tell you what species, but please note that this is not a failure, any more than asking you to name the individual from 1000 years ago, from whom you descended.

I am not sure as to the reason or motive for the question, so I am not sure how helpful my answer is, though 

Steve

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Hi Steve,

 

Your answer is helpful in that it helps get me started on how to conduct the research.

I am not a Creationist. But I often debate them. Yes, it is often a waste of time, but I enjoy enhancing my knowledge as I research their claims.

This pineapple question has surfaced in several pro-creation groups now, so I thought it would be interesting to research.

Thank you for your time. If I find useful info, I will share here.

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Hi Don. Creation/evolution is a bit of a specialism of mine, having once been a Creationist/teacher. The Ark Encounter was my idea, if you are familiar with it.

In a fairly recent debate between Aron Ra and Kent Hovind, it was encouraging that Mr Hovind accepted that both elephants and pine trees were eukaryotes. Unless Dr Hovind is ignorant or just being nice, this is a total acknowledgement of evolutionary ancestry of all life, and he will soon be able to trace this precise ancestry on our tree.

The debate method, as a way for education, is a poor one, and usually favours a Creationist, and unless there are very specific key rules involved, it just fuels the idea of poor /anti-science and becomes a personality contest.

An outstanding book in my view, and one which also captures the deceipt and methodologies involved, with a surprisingly insight into where the mind of a Creationist lies, is Aron Ra's, 'Foundational falsehoods of Creationism'. It's in youtube, book or audio form and should be on top of anyone's list if getting involved, but is also a wonderfgul introduction to life and earth science and evolution.

It is being proposed as the first book in line to discuss at the project's new book club, and if we decide on this book, I will get Aron tpo attend. You are invited, Don.

Let me know if you want any links or further help.

Steve

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I would imagine that this project will be the first to answer the pinneaple/person question with any degree of accuracy.

If this is not a satisfactory answer, then while such recipients are waiting, they could spend their time either:

locating their own 1000 year old ancestors (and understanding that any failure is not in the fact that one does not exist/have an ancestor, butr rather that it is too specific/hard to individually find her/him.

Or they could trry some original research of their own to find something notable, to replace mere unscientic efforts of failing to dismiss current, peer reviewed knowledge.

Challenge. Find ONE peer reviewed article, anywherer, on anything, at any time, that favours Young earth creation and rejects evolution/long periods of time. Don't buy the conspiracy theory that pro-evolution scientists dominate and conspire not to allow such proposals. There is a process and it is transparent.

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